So, Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg is not going to charge Trump for fraud? What's going on?

Two prosecutors resign in protest.

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by Anonymousreply 42March 25, 2022 9:42 PM

Of course, maybe he's not being prosecuted because he's innocent. Just a thought.

by Anonymousreply 1February 24, 2022 2:25 AM

My guess, the case is about fraud in the valuation of his assets. I bet the level of intent for a criminal prosecution for fraud is less than the civil level of intent and it is also being pursued civilly. It can be challenging to prove fraud like this beyond a reasonable doubt because despite knowing exactly what he was doing, he likely has it papered with legal opinions and valuations by shady appraisers (who he knew were shady and that he regularly used and paid for said valuations to come out the way he wanted). So tricky to prove- so why risk losing it and vindicating him when he can clearly be held liable by civil courts. I doubt they expect him to actually go to jail. I mean the man was impeached twice and yet somehow they still don't see it so I can only imagine what a not guilty verdict would do.

by Anonymousreply 3February 24, 2022 2:31 AM

Bragg is a piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 4February 24, 2022 2:37 AM

No, not a thought R1. There's no "thought" behind your post.

R3 if the grand jury concluded and came back with no bill or some low-level charges, that would be the likely explanation. But the jury has been on pause and 2 prosecutors have suddenly simultaneously resigned. Neither of those are indicators that people looking at rationally and objectively have concluded there's not enough to indict or convict.

by Anonymousreply 5February 24, 2022 2:41 AM

He’s right not to open Pandora”s Box. Every loan to every established business would become the basis for a fraud case the minute they borrowed more than they paid for an asset. As an example my dad and his brothers bought a little commercial building in 1972 in a bad neighborhood for $24,000. They rented it until last year using the rent to make the payments. Every few years they would borrow a little extra eventually owing $3 million on a commercial property that the rent always managed to make the payments on. Now according to these fine prosecutors that is fraud. The problem with that is my dad and his brothers sold their little building to a developer a few months ago and it sold for over $26 million. No problem paying off the mortgage. This whole case against Trump is bullshit, plain and simple.

by Anonymousreply 6February 24, 2022 2:48 AM

I think Bragg came in and saw he didn't need two expensive white attorneys to take down Trump. He sees himself standing next to AG James, two Black attorneys, for the Trump victory lap. Purely political. Look for the Grand Jury to be extended.

by Anonymousreply 8February 24, 2022 3:01 AM

My liberal white friends don't give a shit. I'm tired of them. They make me want to do nothing too.

by Anonymousreply 9March 7, 2022 8:50 PM

What are your non-white liberal friends doing, R9?

They're out registering people to vote and writing their congressmen and speaking at hearings when they're not busy at work or what? What are your non-white friends doing compared to your white liberal friends?

by Anonymousreply 10March 7, 2022 9:15 PM

I don't like this at all.

[Quote]New reporting reveals yet another problematic wrinkle in the saga. The Daily Beast has reported that Bragg is refusing to release the resignation letters submitted by Pomerantz and Dunne, claiming the letters contain “too much information” and could thus compromise an ongoing investigation.

[Quote]Bragg’s stated reason to decline to release the resignation letters — in whole or in redacted form — rings hollow. Are we to believe that the two prosecutors included intimate investigative details in their resignation letters? Or is it far more likely that Bragg refuses to release them because the letters are deeply critical of Bragg's treatment (and perhaps neglect) of the case?

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by Anonymousreply 11March 7, 2022 9:31 PM

Somebody got a horse's head in their bed.

by Anonymousreply 12March 7, 2022 9:35 PM

[quote] This whole case against Trump is bullshit, plain and simple.

As all of the conspiracy fantasies before

by Anonymousreply 14March 7, 2022 10:14 PM

Booking cruises, lunching, brunching, going art openings, checking the stock market, not reading the papers but disappointed in Trump. That's what my white liberal friends do. Are you like them r10?

by Anonymousreply 15March 7, 2022 11:00 PM

No, I asked what your non-white liberal friends were doing, R15.

I asked what they are doing differently than your white liberal friends.

by Anonymousreply 16March 8, 2022 12:52 AM

R10 doing consultancy gigs. Moving to Canada. Looking for jobs. Trying to get extended rent assistance. Going back to school. Neighborhood meetings. How about yours? Do you have any?

by Anonymousreply 17March 8, 2022 1:24 AM

Prosecutors have been sending back documents to people who turned over information about former President Donald Trump’s business, in perhaps the starkest sign yet that the Manhattan District Attorney’s investigation into Trump may be winding down.

God Help America.

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by Anonymousreply 18March 25, 2022 11:08 AM

Has Alvin Bragg prosecuted anyone since he started his job? He refuses to do anything about the criminal cases presented to his office.

Maybe he doesn’t understand what he was elected to do.

by Anonymousreply 20March 25, 2022 11:21 AM

What's the point of another failed prosecution? At some point you have to get your priorities straight.

by Anonymousreply 21March 25, 2022 11:23 AM

Also, I didn’t vote for this corrupt lazy woke fat slug, so I can complain about him all day long. I voted for our sister Liz Crotty who actually wanted to do the job

by Anonymousreply 22March 25, 2022 11:23 AM

It's pretty obvious that Bragg, like Mueller and Garland, are being paid off to look the other way.

by Anonymousreply 23March 25, 2022 11:44 AM

They're afraid of Magat backlash.

by Anonymousreply 24March 25, 2022 12:43 PM

He’s probably being threatened or blackmailed. He seems like the type with some skeletons in his closet.

by Anonymousreply 26March 25, 2022 2:07 PM

Check out his Wikipedia page under “Personal Life”. Lol. Someone must have slipped in these final two sentences.

Bragg married Jamila Marie Ponton in 2003.[20] They have two children.[6] Bragg in March 2022 must have been paid off or is a afraid of Donald Trump. Its the only reason not to prosecute the former reality tv host.

by Anonymousreply 27March 25, 2022 2:28 PM

He’s afraid to prosecute rich white men. He’s afraid to prosecute young black men.

If he’s scared to do his FUCKING JOB, let’s get someone who will.

by Anonymousreply 28March 25, 2022 2:33 PM

Even The Atlantic has become bored with this charade

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by Anonymousreply 29March 25, 2022 4:36 PM

Clearly someone got paid off.

by Anonymousreply 30March 25, 2022 4:40 PM

R29 God! Fucking thank you. They should have written that two years ago.

by Anonymousreply 32March 25, 2022 4:44 PM

It's all so damned depressing.

by Anonymousreply 33March 25, 2022 4:59 PM

Even Weimar put Hitler in jail.

by Anonymousreply 34March 25, 2022 5:09 PM

Weimar didn't have a pussy milquetoast like Merrick Garland running the show.

by Anonymousreply 35March 25, 2022 5:11 PM

R34 What does history tell us about that? Good move?

by Anonymousreply 36March 25, 2022 6:00 PM

I can’t believe no one has Jimmy Hoffa’d Trump yet.

by Anonymousreply 37March 25, 2022 6:01 PM

Even the people I follow who have been saying that Trump would "get his day in court" and that Garland was working fervishly behind the scenes have either fallen silent or flat-out given up at this news.

Look, if that obese fucker is innocent then try him and declare him innocent! His tard supporters can't love him more than they do. And the rest of us cannot possibly despise him more than we do. Try him, then.

But letting it go is shoving in our faces that rich people with wealthy friends never have to own up for their shit. We all know it but rubbing our faces in the carpet every fucking time that orange cooze opens his fat mouth while the rest of us could do time over any little thing is infuriating.

by Anonymousreply 39March 25, 2022 9:04 PM

[quote] like Mueller and Garland, are being paid off

🙄🙄🙄🙄 Mueller was not paid off. Garland was not paid off. There is not one scintilla of evidence to support these ludicrous allegations. There is nothing here other than rank speculation that the only possible explanation for their decisions is this absurd notion that the former Director of the FBI and the former Chief Judge of the DC Circuit MUST HAVE BEEN paid off.

Is it possible??? Well, just about anything is “possible.” Is it likely or probable? No.

I know personally a few of the prosecutors on Mueller’s team. There is no way they would have stood by while the head of the office tanked a viable case. Plus, Mueller didn’t give tRump a pass. He was hamstrung from proceeding by the OLC memo saying that a sitting president couldn’t be prosecuted. And Barr wasn’t about to let him go around that.

by Anonymousreply 40March 25, 2022 9:31 PM

R36 Great move if they hadn't caved and let him out . Hitler was convicted of high treason and sentenced to five years in prison. He served only eight months of his sentence. Democracy always pussy out. Fascists not so much.

by Anonymousreply 41March 25, 2022 9:38 PM

R40 Plus, Mueller didn’t give tRump a pass.

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by Anonymousreply 42March 25, 2022 9:42 PM

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