And Just Like That season 2: still woke and annoying!

You know it’s terrible but you can’t help but watch it.

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by Anonymousreply 107June 24, 2023 8:34 PM

Hi, Kim! Cashed your check yet?

by Anonymousreply 1June 21, 2023 5:21 PM

They've added too many new characters and can't do them justice with limited screen time

by Anonymousreply 2June 21, 2023 5:42 PM

Uh, yeah, I can help but watch it.

by Anonymousreply 3June 21, 2023 7:08 PM

[quote](“The only thing I’m worried about is that spice all over your lips,” they clunkily purr to a fretting Miranda.

Clunkily purr is a great phrase.

by Anonymousreply 4June 21, 2023 7:13 PM

Apparently Aidan doesn’t show up until the end of the season. Ugh.

by Anonymousreply 5June 21, 2023 7:17 PM

Pretty cheeky review. TLDR: the world is united in its distaste for Che. Also, the B plots suck, and poor Karen Pittman has nothing to do.

by Anonymousreply 6June 21, 2023 7:25 PM

[quote] You know it’s terrible but you can’t help but watch it.

Uh, I can help it.

by Anonymousreply 7June 21, 2023 7:27 PM

Love this: I can’t help but applaud Cattrall for the well-publicized cash grab from her upcoming cameo. Get that money, girl. This train isn’t going to wreck itself!

by Anonymousreply 8June 21, 2023 9:07 PM

[quote] and poor Karen Pittman has nothing to do.

As opposed to the amazing, front and center plot line she had last season?

by Anonymousreply 9June 21, 2023 9:12 PM

I had long flights and I tried to watch and like it. I couldn’t. It was boring and depressing. There was not one character I liked. Because Samantha was gone so were good looking men.

by Anonymousreply 10June 21, 2023 9:39 PM

Am I the only one who thinks Pittman's kept because they're afraid to fire the black actress whose original story got shoved aside for Che Diaz?

by Anonymousreply 11June 21, 2023 9:41 PM

Nope. The only reason she's still there is optics. What would even be the reason to keep her on? Miranda went to Los Angeles to be with the big fat bulldyke. It's not like her professor was friends with anyone else on the show. What could they possibly do with that snore of a character without her sponsor character (Miranda) to hold her up?

by Anonymousreply 12June 21, 2023 9:44 PM

R11 she would have been a much better fit for Miranda to bump uglies with than Che

by Anonymousreply 13June 21, 2023 9:45 PM

If they weren't such babies they'd have Miranda call bullshit on all this pronoun business

by Anonymousreply 14June 21, 2023 9:45 PM

Nixon is a full on pronoun slut. Doesn'r she have a non-binary daughter in real life?

by Anonymousreply 15June 21, 2023 10:28 PM

[quote]“I think there are people like Che out in the world, and I think that opinions about whether Che is representing an authentically queer person or not is not for me to answer,” Ramírez tells me. They really believe in the education of Che Diaz: “It’s exciting to have Che be a disruption to the mainstream. We had been experiencing the mass mobilization for anti-racism for George Floyd, so being aware of how important disruption is, being aware of how important it is to wake people up from the sleep of their own comfort and privilege, was so important to me that summer.” Judging from the first three episodes of season two I saw, the writers do seem more interested in complicating Che. (Spoiler alert: Miranda dons a strap-on.)

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by Anonymousreply 16June 21, 2023 10:31 PM

The Wrap: The old Miranda we all loved for her grounded good sense, smarts and ambition is, alas, still nowhere to be found amid her midlife crisis. But Che does emerge from the break between seasons somewhat humanized, toned down a bit from the show-hijacking, internet-baiting narcissist we met last season. (In a win for everyone, we barely see them do any of their standup comedy.) And we do get a glimpse of their new network sitcom, “Che Pasa,” with Tony Danza, which is fun. It’s still hard to root for these two as a couple, and both of them routinely come off as insufferable in their interactions, continuing to drag Miranda’s sexual awakening down.

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by Anonymousreply 17June 21, 2023 11:27 PM

It's such a shame that this show developed when it did, on the heels of the summer of 2020. Season 1 tried so hard to self-flagellate that it turned into a shadow of the fun it used to be. Love the addition of Seema and I have to admit I also like the Nicole Ari Parker character. But the Che bullshit, and all the other woke bullet points they felt they needed to hit just diluted it all. That said, I'm looking forward to season 2.

by Anonymousreply 19June 21, 2023 11:44 PM

They need to bring Becky Ann Baker back as Miranda’s sister. She’s ballsy enough to call Miranda out on her nonsense. Hell, any extended family members would make more sense than any of the characters they foisted on us. I mean they gave Big a brother. It’s odd that there is never any mention of any family of any of the “girls” but we had to meet Che’s abuela.

by Anonymousreply 20June 21, 2023 11:56 PM

Were Carrie's parents ever seen on the show? Are they dead?

by Anonymousreply 21June 22, 2023 3:22 AM

Her background was never really addressed on the show.

And when they made the prequel, SJP was PISSED! I watched it during lockdown. It was cute.

by Anonymousreply 22June 22, 2023 3:31 AM

You missed the flashback: she was born in Ohio to a surrogate, and then sold off to an NYC couple.

by Anonymousreply 23June 22, 2023 3:40 AM

[quote] Were Carrie's parents ever seen on the show?

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by Anonymousreply 24June 22, 2023 5:22 AM

Carrie's family wasn't mentioned on SATC, I got the impression she grew up not well off and came to NYC as a teen to study, or after college to write. I think the prequel made her a wealthy kid?

Samantha once said she had two siblings, a drunk father (?) and she grew up quite poor

Charlotte of course was a trust fund WASP

Miranda came to study at Harvard then moved to NYC

by Anonymousreply 25June 22, 2023 7:37 AM

This is another mark of the Darren Star/Michael Patrick King stain of falseness on the show—there is no way that a heterosexual woman so clingy and needy as Carrie wouldn't be turning to Mommy and Daddy at every other challenging point.

Gay men of Carrie's generation often had to strike out on their own. Straight girls, never.

For Carrie to have no parental presence whatsoever is ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 26June 22, 2023 8:01 AM

It was preposterous that someone with Charlotte's background wouldn't remain attached to and involved with her family and friends she grew up with. That's what they do.

by Anonymousreply 27June 22, 2023 8:39 AM

[quote]I had long flights and I tried to watch and like it. I couldn’t. It was boring and depressing. There was not one character I liked. Because Samantha was gone so were good looking men.

That pretty much defines 'woke' -- ugly and depressing.

Until fairly recently, Hollywood was synonymous with pretty actors and uplifting movies/shows full of wonder.

Wokeness is the antithesis of all that.

Many of us outside the USA who loved Hollywood fare are pissed, because it was our comfort viewing/escapism.

Everything lately is a lecture and ugly and depressing.

by Anonymousreply 28June 22, 2023 8:42 AM

I read an article from the show runner saying that they heard all the criticism of the Che character and decided to double-down and make Che an even bigger part of Season 2, in a "you just didn't understand the character but you will grow to love them" type of way. I'm therefore not particularly optimistic about season 2 but you never know, maybe they will grow on me!

I just wish they had handled the Miranda/Steve break-up better and treated his character more sympathetically.

Also it was strange that they decided to have a non-binary character (Che) and then Charlotte's daughter came out as non-binary as well, but there was no real attempt to combine them in any meaningful way (like Che could have had a conversation with Charlotte or her child about it - it fell to Anthony to talk to Charlotte about it which didn't make sense) which made me think they should have just stuck to one NB character, if they weren't going to do anything meaningful about having two of them within a small cast.

by Anonymousreply 29June 22, 2023 10:14 AM

I made it through half of the first episode of season 1.

I have better things to do with my time than attend a 20-hour funeral for people who became insufferable 23 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 30June 22, 2023 10:55 AM

Will Stanford be killed off?

by Anonymousreply 31June 22, 2023 11:00 AM

All of them have very bad Botox faces now. They can’t emote for shit.

And don’t get me started with the storyline about the black father not being able to get a cab to stop for him. Combine that with his mommy issues and it’s not just a lazy storyline, it’s insufferable.

by Anonymousreply 32June 22, 2023 12:54 PM

Why does every woman in Hollywood need the same hairstyle? At least in the 90's there was some experimentation. It's gotten way beyond boring.

by Anonymousreply 33June 22, 2023 1:05 PM

Godzilla's gonna kill him R31.

by Anonymousreply 34June 22, 2023 1:06 PM

Lily’s privilege ballad, fuckin’ hell.

My favourite character was the doleful Asian guy on the beach. And Tony Danza.

by Anonymousreply 35June 22, 2023 3:31 PM

Is Cynthia Nixon getting her fillers from Kristin’s doctor? Yikes.

by Anonymousreply 36June 22, 2023 3:33 PM

The Daily Maul has many pictures today.

If you're planning to watch, you need to know there are a lot of Cynthia Nixon's tits coming up... and a hot tub scene with Che's back shown. It rivals any IMAX screen.

by Anonymousreply 37June 22, 2023 3:59 PM

[quote] and a hot tub scene with Che's back shown.

r37 Your warning came too late. 🤮

by Anonymousreply 38June 22, 2023 4:53 PM

Eugh Cynthia we don't need you to pick up where Kim left off, keep it covered

by Anonymousreply 39June 22, 2023 5:34 PM

[quote] Eugh Cynthia we don't need you to pick up where Kim left off, keep it covered

YOU'RE JUST AFRAID!

by Anonymousreply 40June 22, 2023 5:46 PM

Sara Ramirez is one ugly They.

by Anonymousreply 41June 22, 2023 5:55 PM

The Carrie Diaries was so much better than this. Carrie's father was mentioned in a later season of the original. He left home when she was five. In CD he was a widower raising Carrie on his own. We met Charlotte's brother once in the original. So far season 2 of AJLT is even worse than season 1. Let's face it, we're just waiting for Kim.

by Anonymousreply 43June 22, 2023 6:03 PM

What a freakin' train wreck. The last thing I ever want to see is Miranda and Che having sex. None of these women wear pajama bottoms and t shirts to bed?

by Anonymousreply 44June 22, 2023 6:17 PM

Carrie even wears her bra in the shower!

by Anonymousreply 45June 22, 2023 6:21 PM

Did they use a different set in the movie for Carrie's apartment or just a wider lens? Looked bigger in the movie

by Anonymousreply 46June 22, 2023 6:22 PM

A light skinned black man wearing a gorgeous suit has trouble hailing a cab on the UES because he's black? Uh, no.

by Anonymousreply 47June 22, 2023 6:52 PM

It was addressed a couple of times that Carrie’s father left her family when she was young. She never spoke of her mother or whether or not she had any siblings.

Only Charlotte’s brother and Miranda’s siblings appeared on the original series.

by Anonymousreply 48June 22, 2023 6:53 PM

And Charlotte’s father gave her away. She held up the ceremony whispering with Carrie if she should marry impotent Trey or run away. Then when she decided to walk down the aisle her father stepped into frame.

by Anonymousreply 49June 22, 2023 7:21 PM

Please start more threads about this show

by Anonymousreply 50June 22, 2023 9:12 PM

Apparently Miranda shows her ginger bush in one episode so please beware. Apparently she's in an isolation chamber so if you see that close your eyes or fast forward if you can

by Anonymousreply 51June 22, 2023 9:18 PM

The Samantha lesbian arc in the original managed to be believable, funny and tasteful. They could have made Miranda a late in life lesbian and still let her hold onto her dignity. Falling in love with her college professor would have made much more sense. I'm embarrassed for Nixon and have no idea why she thought any of this shit was a good idea.

by Anonymousreply 52June 22, 2023 9:31 PM

Oooft episode one was hard work.

by Anonymousreply 53June 22, 2023 9:38 PM

[quote] I'm embarrassed for Nixon and have no idea why she thought any of this shit was a good idea.

Based on everything she's said, it aligns with living her best life values and all that shit.

by Anonymousreply 54June 22, 2023 9:42 PM

[Quote] Apparently Miranda shows her ginger bush in one episode so please beware.

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by Anonymousreply 55June 22, 2023 11:16 PM

I just don’t get the hate for this show - it’s VERY much in line with SATC but, of course, it’s matured and changed. What apparently hasn’t matured and changed is the people who complain about it and (apparently) used to love it. Or did they always hate it? It’s honestly hard to tell…

by Anonymousreply 56June 22, 2023 11:34 PM

R56 how is it in line? S1 was more drama, very little sex or comedy. The tone was entirely different. The new cast members added to cynically combat criticism the show was too white or lacking diversity, not for any creative reason.

by Anonymousreply 57June 23, 2023 12:00 AM

R56 MATURED? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

by Anonymousreply 58June 23, 2023 12:01 AM

An example of the difference in humor between SATC and AJLT: Samantha's gorgeous girlfriend gifted her a strap on in a nicely wrapped box and Sam later made a joke about hurting her neck while using it. AJLT shows Miranda wearing a strap on and looking ridiculous while trying to figure out how to use it. Class vs trash.

by Anonymousreply 59June 23, 2023 12:54 AM

Please start more threads about this show

by Anonymousreply 60June 23, 2023 1:06 AM

R60 as long as you keep bumping them, will do!

by Anonymousreply 61June 23, 2023 1:08 AM

R60 you've already said this and no one reacted or cared. Take the hint.

by Anonymousreply 62June 23, 2023 1:08 AM

Instead of watching the show, I read this thread. I find DL's take entertaining and it catches me up without having to sit through the show. It's like reading a book review and pretending you've read the book.

by Anonymousreply 63June 23, 2023 2:04 AM

No OP. It IS terrible which is why I'm not watching it.

by Anonymousreply 65June 23, 2023 9:19 AM

Cynthia is a clown. I’m convinced she had a thing for the Che actress and so she made this storyline to have sex scenes with her.

by Anonymousreply 66June 23, 2023 12:42 PM

Nay, or rather neigh, to this show.

by Anonymousreply 67June 23, 2023 12:55 PM

It could have been worse. They could have cast Rojo Caliente.

by Anonymousreply 68June 23, 2023 2:16 PM

I'm still waiting for a tear the rubber mask off shot, R68.

by Anonymousreply 69June 23, 2023 5:23 PM

It's interesting to me that Cynthia Nixon now only plays lesbians (like Miranda) or celibates (like Ada Brook on "The Gilded Age').

Like Jodie Foster, she doesn't seem to want to play heterosexual women characters engaged in relationships with men any more.

by Anonymousreply 70June 23, 2023 6:40 PM

Cynthia came out in support of looters.

by Anonymousreply 72June 23, 2023 10:05 PM

The original show was a 25-minute ep comedy. Eps are now almost 20 minutes longer. The zippy, zingy format creating a light rhythm.

Everything is off.

Credit to SJP. She clearly has a lot of charm. But it’s wasted on a character whose legacy she should have fought to protect. The charm of a selfish 30-something has curdled.

by Anonymousreply 73June 23, 2023 10:08 PM

Charm was never a word associated with Ms. Parker 🫨

by Anonymousreply 74June 23, 2023 10:10 PM

I, too, find her cloying but it’s hard to deny that she appeals to a mass market in a way that is not just acting talent.

by Anonymousreply 75June 23, 2023 10:12 PM

When does Matthew show up?

by Anonymousreply 76June 23, 2023 10:19 PM

The whole reboot was a missed opportunity to showcase women in their 50s navigating dating and sex. The series should have opened with Miranda divorced from Steve and Carrie and Charlotte as widows. Kill off Samantha, too and add Seema as their new friend. As it stands now the show is just too heavy with new characters we don't care about. It's just so dreary and joyless.

by Anonymousreply 77June 23, 2023 10:49 PM

So much old lady nudity in the first episode. Ain't no one needs to see that!

by Anonymousreply 78June 23, 2023 11:04 PM

Finished one episode. Didn't love Season 1, but it was serviceable. I'm not hate watching season 2; just genuinely want to see what they can do with it. At this point it is what it is. It's the same as last season and that's fine. I didn't expect them to get rid of the "wokeness" or other aspects that people have criticized. The only thing that truly bothers me is Miranda - not that she's a lesbian and with Che, but that she's just so damn anxious, try hard, and at times stupid now. She's always fumbling, bumbling, mumbling in every aspect of her life. I just feel if "real" Miranda had gone through such a monumental mid-life change, it would have been different. She would be fearful and insecure and unsure, but she's still be smart and resourceful; lawyerly in her considerations of how to move forward, and not so beholden to Che after the initial "this is so new" phase of their relationship.

by Anonymousreply 79June 23, 2023 11:12 PM

They really threw everything and the kitchen sink into the first episode. They even wedged in diet anxiety and body issues.

by Anonymousreply 80June 23, 2023 11:26 PM

Sorry some people think “wokeness” is sad or joyless. For POC it’s exciting to see ourselves represented on screen, particularly when you think how realistically white that show was.

I love Seems and LVT but admit all the Miranda adjacent characters are a fail.

R47

BTW, I’m a tall light skinned black man who sometimes has a problem getting a cab, I don’t know any black men who can legitimately claim differently.

by Anonymousreply 81June 24, 2023 2:10 AM

Is that because you don't tip?

by Anonymousreply 82June 24, 2023 3:14 AM

Will "The Power of Privilege" - Lily's song - make it on to the soundtrack.

LVT's fit fat husband his sort of hot. Isn't the actor a Broadway guy?

by Anonymousreply 83June 24, 2023 3:35 AM

"LVT's fit fat husband his sort of hot." I meant "is sort of hot," obviously.

by Anonymousreply 85June 24, 2023 3:39 AM

Tony Danza looks great for 72, and kind of what I imagine David Lee Roth would look like at 72 if he never lost his hair.

by Anonymousreply 86June 24, 2023 3:41 AM

The surfer guy at the beach when Miranda loses her phone has some of the sharpest, deepest cum gutters I've ever seen. I don't get why Miranda comes completely unglued.

by Anonymousreply 88June 24, 2023 3:50 AM

Sorry, R87. I meant LTW. Lisa Todd Wexley. I should probably stop typing now.

by Anonymousreply 89June 24, 2023 3:53 AM

R88 did he have a good face?

by Anonymousreply 90June 24, 2023 9:16 AM

I watched the first two episodes new season. I really want to like it, but it's difficult. TOO MANY CHARACTERS and they are trying too hard to be "inclusive."

Why is that professor woman even in this?

by Anonymousreply 92June 24, 2023 2:55 PM

And don't get me started on those insufferable children on Charlotte's. Lily writing/performing a song about the wrongness about "privilege?" Girl, you should thank your parents every day for saving you from a Chinese orphanage.

by Anonymousreply 93June 24, 2023 2:58 PM

Actually I thought Lily's song was spot on for a kid in her position in this day and age. I mean, silly, but totally teenager. That worked for me. I just FF'd through Che and Miranda. Even Carrie wasn't [italic]that[/italic] bad to me this time. I feel like this season is it, though, and they gave them one last kick at the can. It's an expensive show to produce, the reviews are not strong. These days you're either off the charts successful and streaming or you're a Wikipedia entry about a cancelled show.

by Anonymousreply 94June 24, 2023 3:29 PM

It is a lot of characters. I like the professor lot but she does seem like baggage - unless they're keeping her around so Miranda can get with her. She is on the ropes with her husband. I don't hate it, but don't love it. Every episode seems like a highlight reel or clip show since there's so many characters to get through. It's always whiplash inducing cuts between scenes and scenarios. The in-episode arcs seem mismanaged. Like the whole thing with Lily selling her clothes to buy a keyboard seemed like it could be time better spent elsewhere.

by Anonymousreply 95June 24, 2023 4:15 PM

R95, guessing here, but where does the Che character actually go? Even if anybody enjoyed it, it eats the show whenever it's on. My guess is Che and Miranda implode, Ramirez exits mid series to escape the whole fucking draining mess and find work that isn't so hard on her personally and puts Che in the rearview mirror (because this is so bad she's on the verge of becoming defined by it... Che as the Fonz or Alexis Carrington), and Miranda slinks home, still awakened, and in a pity part of broken dreams and broken relationships, she and Nya lez lez it up. Which I could almost tolerate, given the talent of the actress playing Nya, but it's still a mindblowing retcon. However, so great is my desire to see the backend of Che, I'd take it.

by Anonymousreply 96June 24, 2023 4:25 PM

T96, Miranda and Che imploding would make perfect sense. Che's a larger-than-life personality and Miranda might understandably be attracted to that confidence and more boldly sexually-identified person for her first lesbian relationship. I thought they were suggesting this wasn't going to work out when Che kept cold-shouldering Miranda, telling her when she could and could not come to see her act, always rushing off to work, leaving Miranda behind. But then they seemed to get to a better place when Che revealed what was bothering her. Still, I could see Miranda realizing that what attracted her to Che was her confidence when Miranda didn't have much in relation to her sexuality, and then concluding that even though she wants to be with women, Che isn't for her.

by Anonymousreply 97June 24, 2023 4:32 PM

I'm sure it's a graceful exit strategy, R98. Could be wrong but even if MPK is being stubborn and prideful, he knows it doesn't work, HBO knows it doesn't work but everybody involved still wants to work. So if the great Che experiment has to go, it has to go.

And that's showbiz, kid.

by Anonymousreply 99June 24, 2023 4:36 PM

I have a feeling this is the final season but they're just not announcing it yet. Bringing Kim back to film a cameo for the last episode could be their way of wrapping the whole thing up. You know Kim will not be joining the show full time so what's the point of bringing her back unless it's for closure.

by Anonymousreply 100June 24, 2023 4:39 PM

[quote] so great is my desire to see the backend of Che

You're a braver man than we.

by Anonymousreply 101June 24, 2023 4:40 PM

My partner and I just laughed at that bit of the opening sequence where Che is wibbling and wobbling as she goes at Miranda's lady ham. It's so unsexy.

by Anonymousreply 102June 24, 2023 4:52 PM

Supposedly, Che will become more human this season as they explore the issues they’re masking while being so extra. (I listened to a writer from the show being interviewed.)

by Anonymousreply 103June 24, 2023 4:53 PM

We already know that Che has body image issues from he scene where she confessed that to Miranda. She was triggered that her new show wanted her to lose weight.

I still really don't understand (1) Carrie's severe objection to doing a vagina product promo, and (2) why her failure to do so caused an entire media organization to be disbanded.

by Anonymousreply 104June 24, 2023 4:55 PM

[quote] why her failure to do so caused an entire media organization to be disbanded.

It didn't. The company was clearly on shaky ground already (as evidenced by the horrible acting of Ali Stroker) and the failure to satisfy a client that they could potentially lose while already on the brink was what was driving her manic anger. It was just written super poorly to make it seem like it was all Carrie's fault.

Whatever that company was, it was clear the writers did about as much research into it as they have on anything else in this utter shitshow. I've never seen such lazy writing since the days of Perfect Strangers. I hope the EPA at least gives the writers room an environmental award because they've recycled dozens of stale jokes. "I took an Uber from the bedroom to my bathroom?" It kind of makes you long for the days of "Lawrence of my labia" and "Abu Dhabi Doo!"

by Anonymousreply 105June 24, 2023 5:05 PM

[quote]We already know that Che has body image issues from he scene where she confessed that to Miranda. She was triggered that her new show wanted her to lose weight.

Well, topless in a hot tub she does confuse easily with a map of Kansas, Colorado or either Dakota.

by Anonymousreply 106June 24, 2023 7:32 PM

Miranda, I saw them naked. There's more handles on that Che person than there are at a Restoration Hardware! Lose the they and go back to the him. And stop showing us your teats and lady ham. No one needs to see that! Ugh, my eyes!

by Anonymousreply 107June 24, 2023 8:34 PM

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